Berti Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 With the SAFA looking to gain agreement to increase membership fees by more than 30% it got me thinking as to why we need the SAFA. Currently they are looking to try and save £30,000 per annum. Clubs are currently struggling financially and having to cut our cloth accordingly so surely the SAFA should be looking to do the same without taking it from their member clubs whether that be through sponsorship or reduction in their overheads. Would the KofFAFA be any different without being in membership of the SAFA? I certainly do not think so with the exception of the Scottish Cup but maybe I am missing something. As someone who has run a club for the best part of 25 years I can think of absolutely nothing we have gained by being part of the SAFA. As a club we are in a very precarious position financially due to running costs and especially training costs. We already have to pay for the SAFA's compulsory insurances with the Public Liability Insurance in particular considerably overpriced. For years the SAFA have told us that they are there to help develop and promote football in Scotland but I have yet to see an example of this. Perhaps it is reserved for the top clubs or West coast clubs? I believe there are currently 1050 amateur clubs in Scotland, a figure that has dropped considerably in the last 6 years with over 200 clubs folding. Even then from SAFA membership alone that generates £73,500. If 900 of these clubs then enter the Scottish and regional cups there is another £27,000. Add to that the fines, commission from the compulsary insurance there is a fair amount of money brought in from clubs then there is also the fees each association pays. I am happy to be enlightened if anyone knows of some positives I am missing! Just to confirm this is my personal opinion and not that of the club! jaz and Mariner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiler Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Bertie you are not alone in thinking the same thing. The SAFA promote that they will help clubs with all aspects of financial help regards funding towards various agendas towards helping the clubs keep on going. We asked about trying to upgrade/renovate the shower areas that have been in place for 50 + years at our changing rooms. yes we got a reply that told us to look towards other funding agencies that might help. Not being sarcastic but with the money the SAFA have in the bank why are they not at the cap in hand stage. There are other issues with the SAFA regards finance but that can be discussed at another time Berti and jaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariner Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) I agree for grass roots football and I mean amateur football cost alot not just the SAFA asking for monies but pitch hire, training venues etc I personally think we have seen no real contribution from them When did we see 'free coaching courses? reduction in fees to support clubs? Pitch and changing room support? Travel? Refs fees etc etc which no doubt will all be subject to review I think the team insurance system is poor and what real support does it give? pennies rather than £££'s The SFA get sponsorship from large companies so when does it filter down Mine like others clubs will seriously think about continuing and in fact may be forced to fold It's getting harder every year I think as a league we should say no Edited November 18, 2017 by Mariner additional info Berti and jaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaz Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 i have first hand experience in the hiring of pitches and was working for fife leisure trust at cupar s.c. when the astro turf was laid ,i often go to watch an ammie game at cupar and it saddens me to see the £ .1,000000 plus pitch sitting empty.......why ? because the price is far to high. ps .f-ck the sfa. Berti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 A couple of seasons ago the Fife Leisure trust done half price weekend bookings for their astro in the winter, not sure how many teams utilised it but it was a decent gesture Berti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boy"z" Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, jaz said: i have first hand experience in the hiring of pitches and was working for fife leisure trust at cupar s.c. when the astro turf was laid ,i often go to watch an ammie game at cupar and it saddens me to see the £ .1,000000 plus pitch sitting empty.......why ? because the price is far to high. ps .f-ck the sfa. £1000000 plus pitch. It certainly didn't cost that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaz Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 19 hours ago, boy"z" said: £1000000 plus pitch. It certainly didn't cost that. at least 1million . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandahalf Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 I have Been quite vocal about this on Twitter. We need to make sure as clubs and associations that this doesn’t get voted in by attending any vote for it. The Safa have over 300k in the bank there is no need whatsoever for an increase in any fees. Berti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berti Posted November 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, twoandahalf said: I have Been quite vocal about this on Twitter. We need to make sure as clubs and associations that this doesn’t get voted in by attending any vote for it. The Safa have over 300k in the bank there is no need whatsoever for an increase in any fees. Let's hope it's rejected by all the club's and associations however there have been a number of ludicrous decisions passed lately so I'm not holding out much hope. They should allow a postal vote as that would give a true indication of the club and associations views but it'll never happen as that's not so easy to manipulate. Edited November 19, 2017 by Berti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valdas Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) On 11/16/2017 at 9:10 PM, Berti said: With the SAFA looking to gain agreement to increase membership fees by more than 30% it got me thinking as to why we need the SAFA. Currently they are looking to try and save £30,000 per annum. Clubs are currently struggling financially and having to cut our cloth accordingly so surely the SAFA should be looking to do the same without taking it from their member clubs whether that be through sponsorship or reduction in their overheads. Would the KofFAFA be any different without being in membership of the SAFA? I certainly do not think so with the exception of the Scottish Cup but maybe I am missing something. As someone who has run a club for the best part of 25 years I can think of absolutely nothing we have gained by being part of the SAFA. As a club we are in a very precarious position financially due to running costs and especially training costs. We already have to pay for the SAFA's compulsory insurances with the Public Liability Insurance in particular considerably overpriced. For years the SAFA have told us that they are there to help develop and promote football in Scotland but I have yet to see an example of this. Perhaps it is reserved for the top clubs or West coast clubs? I believe there are currently 1050 amateur clubs in Scotland, a figure that has dropped considerably in the last 6 years with over 200 clubs folding. Even then from SAFA membership alone that generates £73,500. If 900 of these clubs then enter the Scottish and regional cups there is another £27,000. Add to that the fines, commission from the compulsary insurance there is a fair amount of money brought in from clubs then there is also the fees each association pays. I am happy to be enlightened if anyone knows of some positives I am missing! Just to confirm this is my personal opinion and not that of the club! if you count the sunday clubs, and sunday cups it near doubles your quoted incomes Edited November 19, 2017 by valdas Berti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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